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"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
06/06/2018 at 14:42 • Filed to: None

DISCUSSION (23)

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn
06/06/2018 at 14:51

“There’s a nice big rock over there, I’ma dynamite some faces on it”.

fhrblig > ttyymmnn
06/06/2018 at 14:51

I went there with my grandparents when I was ten, and I wasn’t expecting it to be as small. Every time they show it on TV or in movies it’s a close-up.

random001 > ttyymmnn
06/06/2018 at 14:52

So one of the alt-right wackos (I mean, extreme!) in my office was ranting the other day about how Lincoln was our worst president ever. Basically, our country’s Stalin. Sigh....

getFuckedHerb > ttyymmnn
06/06/2018 at 14:55

Welcome to our state. Enjoy the 80mph speed limits.

itschrome > ttyymmnn
06/06/2018 at 14:57

surprised trump hasn’t put him self up there yet.

HammerheadFistpunch > ttyymmnn
06/06/2018 at 14:57

I particularly like that its an unfinished project. Its an inspiration to all people with unfinished projects.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > random001
06/06/2018 at 14:58

Calling him “Our county’s Hitler” would probably be a compliment by your coworker’s standards.

atfsgeoff > random001
06/06/2018 at 15:00

He’s wrong.

FDR was the worst, followed closely by Woodrow Wilson.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn
06/06/2018 at 15:01

Thanks for all the parks, Theodore!

...this land was made for you and me.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > HammerheadFistpunch
06/06/2018 at 15:08

Seems very appropriate given the short attention span this country has...

Meanwhile, this is the Italian monument started in 1908

Kinja'd!!!

They’ll get to it tomorrow

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch
06/06/2018 at 15:09

Donald Trump wants his face there.

WRXforScience > HammerheadFistpunch
06/06/2018 at 15:10

It was too hard, so they kinda gave up on the project.

BigBlock440 > random001
06/06/2018 at 15:26

He set the precedence that once you vote to become a state, you’re in it forever.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > atfsgeoff
06/06/2018 at 15:30

Wut

atfsgeoff > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
06/06/2018 at 15:40

Most people consider FDR to be an amazing president for bringing about federal jobs programs and bringing the nation out of the Depression, but what I see is a man who packed the Supreme Court with socialist Justices who backed his New Deal alphabet agencies and their unprecedented power over private citizens and their lives. See also: Wickard v. Filburn , also known as the reason that the federal government has effectively unlimited power to regulate any and all activities of private citizens, under the guise of the interstate commerce clause in the Constitution, even when said activity has nothing to do with interstate commerce .

DipodomysDeserti > atfsgeoff
06/06/2018 at 15:54

Yeah, look at how socialist the US is now because of FDR!

DipodomysDeserti > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
06/06/2018 at 15:58

“This land is our land.”

-the guys whose faces are carved into the side of mountains considered sacred by the Lakota

Also, the monument was carved by a prominent member of the KKK. Mr. Guthrie was probably not a fan.

DipodomysDeserti > ttyymmnn
06/06/2018 at 16:07

It’s extremely ‘Murican.

The monument was carved by a promiment Ku Klux Klansman in sacred hills stolen from the Lakota tribe.

The parks service probably leaves those tidbits out of their promotional material.

crowmolly > DipodomysDeserti
06/06/2018 at 16:11

This land is our land

And this is our land

All this is our land

And you get no land

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > DipodomysDeserti
06/06/2018 at 17:21

I know the sad history. I hope the Crazy Horse Memorial is completed at some point.

I didn’t know that about Borglum...

coqui70 > DipodomysDeserti
06/06/2018 at 22:11

Oh come on ... back then everyone was doing it! It was peer pressure ... yeah ... he didn’t mean to terrorize people from other races!

ttyymmnn > DipodomysDeserti
06/07/2018 at 01:18

Interesting. I didn’t know that. Wiki discusses his KKK affiliation, as well as some of his white supremacist beliefs. And no, that wasn’t on the tour.

History is messy. We went back for a movie and lighting ceremony after dark. The ranger gave a long, pretty good, scripted talk about the meaning of liberty. Then they showed a 20-minute video about the four presidents on the monument. Lots of talk about freedom and liberty for all, with no mention of the founding fathers slaves. They gave some service to the eradication of the Native Americans, but kind of implied that the Indians were equally to blame. At the end, with the playing of America The Beautiful people were standing. That was followed by the National Anthem, recognition of all the vets in the audience, and the lowering of the flag.

It was all very moving and very shallow. In my mind, any recitation of any nation’s history that doesn’t leave the listener just a little uncomfortable is incomplete.

DipodomysDeserti > ttyymmnn
06/07/2018 at 01:44

Could you imagine being Lakota and hearing a NPS park ranger insinuate that they were partly to blame for the genocide and displacement of their people? Especially considering that the abhorrent mistreatment of Native Americans isn’t just a piece of history, but an ongoing travesty.

The NPS has very messy history when it comes to the treatment of Native Americans. The Havasupai tribe was violently removed from the Grand Canyon when it was made a NP. They’ve lived down there for around 1k years, and were relocated to barren land. It took decades of lawsuits before they were finally allowed to return to the Canyon. The Canyon is considered sacred to them and the birthplace of their people, so the removal was pretty traumatic for the tribe.

The Lakota people are still fighting the feds over the Black Hills and Mt. Rushmore. With Trump’s obvious disdain for Native Americans and his willingness to let the oil and gas industry do whatever they want, I think we will see another armed confrontation in the Badlands within the next few years.